A history of Tiddly Oggies (2024)

Tiddly Oggie is Cornish for 'proper pasty' and that's exactly what this is, made with hormone free beef, onion, carrot, potato. Ferguson Plarre Bakehouses have been baking award-winning Tiddly Oggies for over 30 years!

The wholesome meat & vegetable filling found inside every pasty makes an excellent alternative to the classic meat pie. We are proud to have the Tiddly Oggie as one of our most iconic products and invite you to come and try one for lunch or buy a cold Heat at Home pack and treat the family to a delicious dinner.

Tiddly Oggie Origins

Did you know that a 13th century charter (1207 AD) was granted by Henry III (1207–1272) to the town of Great Yarmouth. The town is bound to send to the sheriffs of Norwich every year one hundred herrings, baked in twenty four pasties, which the sheriffs are to deliver to the lord of the manor of East Carlton who is then to convey them to the King

What is a Tiddly Oggie?

In Cornwall, a pasty is often called an “Oggie”, and while it is unclear as to where the word originated, some people have suggested that it is derived from hoggan, a kind of bag in which the miners carried their croust (croust is the Cornish term for lunch).

Whilst you were down in the mines, you worked hard until you got starving hungry. That was croust-time.

"Croust time" was really "lunch time" but the actual time varied. The reason for this was that down in the tin mine, you couldn't see the sun so you didn't know the time at all.

Up top, out of the mine, posh people in Cornwall call it "dinner time" and croust-time for them is in the middle of the morning still.

When you worked down in a mine, you couldn't carry two or three meals with you, which is where the Tiddly Oggie came into its own. After "croust", the miners worked until they were starving again and that was how they knew it was tea-time, based on their hunger levels, then you went home for your "tea".

The Cornish miners’ wives developed a simple pastry-cladded envelope, which kept the food warm and free of dust while their husbands worked in the mines. The portability of the pasty not only made it easy to carry, but if it should get cold it would be relatively easy to heat up. This was done by putting the pasty on a shovel and holding it over a head-lamp candle. Miners never ate a pasty with a fork, they ate it end to end, and held it upright to keep the juices in.

Since entire Cornish families worked in mines and each member of the family wanted different ingredients in the pasty, the Cornish wife would make sure each pasty had its own distinguishing feature. According to the Cornish Recipes Ancient and Modern, "The true Cornish way to eat a pasty is to hold it in the hand, and begin to bite it from the opposite end to the initial, so that, should any of it be uneaten, it may be consumed later by its rightful owner. And woe betide anyone who take's another person's corner!"

The pasty became particularly popular in Devonport and Plymouth, where sailors called them “tiddly oggies” (also referred to as Tiddy Oggies or a Tiddy Oggy). Tiddly in naval slang means ‘proper’, a common adjective and adverb used by Cornish people, and oggie was the term for a pastie in cornwall, so “tiddly oggie” meant proper pasty.

Cornish rugby supporters later adopted the chant “Oggie, oggie, oggie, oi, oi, oi!” when cheering on their team. Many people believe this is the origin of the great Aussie chant “Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oi, oi, oi!” Well, we do love our pies and pasty's.

The root crops and vegetables in the Tiddly Oggie (and the baked apple that was commonly included) remained warm and free of dust because of the envelope of pastry that encased them. Because the filling was wrapped in a delicious pastry, this meant that the Miners could eat with one hand, and would have no waste afterwards because they could gobble it all up, but there are some magical rumours surrounding the Tiddly Oggie, ones that meant no-one finished off all of their 'croust'

Deep underground in the mines, there were all kinds of sounds, and the miners sensed the presence of “the little men”. Legend has it that after the contents of the oggie had been eaten, one corner of the pastry, where the miners initials were placed, would be left on the floor of the mine for these “Knockers” or ‘Knackers’ as they were called. The miners had little enough to give, and this offering was considered enough to satisfy the mischievous imps who were renowned for taking offence if slighted, but could be helpful if placated.

Eighteenth century accounts from up-county travellers to Cornwall tell of labourers bringing up their families on a diet of vegetables baked in a barley dough. In 1867 a West Briton report told of the subsistence level and revealed their great dependence on flour. Many of these early writers expressed surprise that both children and adults looked reasonably well nourished on what they considered a very poor diet. It was, of course, what we now know as a low-fat diet.

We are proud to have the Tiddly Oggie as one of our most popular products, head to your closest store and try a proper pastie today.

A history of Tiddly Oggies (2024)

FAQs

A history of Tiddly Oggies? ›

Tiddly in naval slang means 'proper', a common adjective and adverb used by Cornish people, and oggie was the term for a pastie in cornwall, so “tiddly oggie” meant proper pasty. Cornish rugby supporters later adopted the chant “Oggie, oggie, oggie, oi, oi, oi!” when cheering on their team.

Why are pasties called oggies? ›

Those in Cornwall say the word 'oggie' derives from the Cornish word 'Hoggan' referring to their signature pasty. They claim that the Welsh oggie came later and adopted the name, but references to the oggie can be found dating back as far as 1181, when St David's Cathedral was being built.

What is the history of the pasty pie? ›

The Cornish pasty descends from a broader family of medieval English meat pies. The earliest literary reference to pasties is likely from Chaucer's “Canterbury Tales.” Legal records from 13th-century Norwich describe pastry-makers accused of reheating three-day-old pasties for sale as fresh.

What is tiddly oggy? ›

A classic combination of beef, onion, carrot and potato wrapped in crisp flaky pastry. Tiddly Oggie is Cornish for 'Proper Pastie' and that's exactly how we make it!

What was the original Cornish pasty? ›

The Origins of the Pasty

Pasties date back as far as the 13th century, at which time they were a pie baked without a dish of French origins, with a rich filling of venison, veal, beef, lamb or seafood, gravy and fruit. The name pasty is a mutation of the Medieval French “paste”, for pie.

What is the difference between a pasty and an oggie? ›

In the Cornish language, a Cornish pasty is known as an “Oggy”. When the Cornish pasties were finished cooking and ready to be eaten, the wives would go to the mineshaft and shout down: “Oggy, oggy, oggy!”, and the men would shout back “Oi, oi, oi!” to let them know the pasties were on their way.

What does tiddly oggie mean? ›

Tiddly in naval slang means 'proper', a common adjective and adverb used by Cornish people, and oggie was the term for a pastie in cornwall, so “tiddly oggie” meant proper pasty. Cornish rugby supporters later adopted the chant “Oggie, oggie, oggie, oi, oi, oi!” when cheering on their team.

Are pasties Irish or Scottish? ›

The Cornish Pasty originates from Cornwall (Southwest England) and can be traced back as far as the 1200's. Mining was once a thriving industry in Cornwall and at that time pasties were baked by the wives and mothers of the tin miners.

Why can't you say Cornish pasty? ›

Since 2011, the Cornish Pasty has enjoyed protected status under Protected Food Names legislation; so only a pasty made to a specific recipe in Cornwall can be called a “Cornish Pasty”.

Is the Cornish pasty illegal? ›

It's also illegal to call a pasty Cornish if it wasn't made in Cornwall. Absolutely!

What is tiddly in British slang? ›

adjective. , Chiefly British Slang. slightly drunk; tipsy.

Why do people say oggie oggie oggie? ›

An Oggy is a slang term for a Cornish pasty and the tin miner's wives would shout "Oggy Oggy Oggy" when delivering pasties to their husbands. In the 1970s the Welsh folk singer and commedian Max Boyce popularised the chant in order to excite the crowd at his concerts.

Who invented tiddly winks? ›

The game began as a parlour game in Victorian England. Bank clerk Joseph Assheton Fincher (1863–1900) filed the original patent application for the game in 1888 and applied for the trademark Tiddledy-Winks in 1889. John Jaques and Son were the exclusive distributors of the game named Tiddledy-Winks.

What is a Cornish pasty called in America? ›

American pasties are the American equivalent to Cornish pasties. The border between Northern Wisconsin and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan is delineated by a line of pasty shops.

What is a Scottish pasty called? ›

A bridie or Forfar bridie is a Scottish meat pasty that originates from Forfar, Scotland. Bridie. A bridie.

What is the difference between a pasty and a Cornish pasty? ›

There will always be great debate about the origin of the pasty, but one easy way to detect the Devon pasty from the Cornish is that the Devon pasty has a top-crimp and is oval in shape, whereas the Cornish pasty is semi-circular and side-crimped along the curve.

What does Oggies mean? ›

"Oggy" is a slang term for a Cornish pasty derived from its Cornish language name, "hogen", and was used by local Cornish sailors throughout Cornwall as well as at the Devonport Dockyard in reference to pasty sellers who stand outside the gates.

What is an Oggies? ›

Tiddly Oggie is Cornish for 'proper pastie' and that's exactly what this is, made with hormone free beef, onion, carrot, potato. Ferguson Plarre Bakehouses have been baking award-winning Tiddly Oggies for over 112 years!

Where does oggie oggie oggie come from? ›

The online encyclopaedia, Wikipedia, suggests the chant has origins in Cornwall, where tin miners' wives would shout "Oggy Oggy Oggy" when delivering pasties known as Oggies to their husbands. In the 1970s the Welsh folk singer and comedian Max Boyce used the chant to drum up crowd excitement at performances.

Where are Oggies from? ›

The Welsh Oggie is a pasty, similar to the Cornish Pasty. It was the staple of the Welsh tin miners while they were working. We made these with mutton, and you should too if you can get hold of it.

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